New Balls

[paul]

OK. at the beginning of the season people were already beginning to make a judgment on the new ball used by the league this year. Now the season has completed what are everyones opinions on the new ball????

[paul]

Is there going to be a vote again this year?


Only if it is proposed and seconded by a another club at the rules meeting this year. There has been a vote on it a few times in the past and it has been defeated narrowly.

[paul]

Also, Paul, how do we bring it to the attention of the committee for the League Rules meeting?


All proposals for discussion at the rules meeting should be submitted and seconded to Colin Craig our league secretary before the meeting. You can contact Colin by email colincraig100@hotmail.com. I'll ask exactly how he would like the information and post it here and on the front page of the site.

[paul]

i played in the Herts Saracens league two years ago and they have the two ball scenario. I think that it is the way forward and should be brought in to all cricket. i don't see the idea of exclusively for the first division

I have played in the Saracens league for the past three years and they only have 2 ball matches in the top divisions. Also the Saracens league is not strictly limited overs cricket in that draws are possible. Declarations are also available (a point that still needs clarifying at this years rules meet). The side batting first has the option of using more than 50% of the allotted 100 overs or less for that matter. leaving the oppo more/less time in which to acheive a result. All in all not a real comparison.

The option has been rejected previously purely on cost I believe. So I would assume that would be the main objection this time.

[paul]

I'm not saying that 2 balls is a good or bad idea. Just that historically there have been objections. I'm be quite happy to see a ball used in each inning mainly because I like the ball coming on whether its in the first or second innings. My main point is that it needs to be agreed by all clubs and suit the nature of the cricket we play.

But guys, lets not get away from the original thread...... How did the new ball stand up this season.????

[paul]

SO......................
is there to be a new ball in each innings for all divisions or not?

In a nutshell, no. The talk at committee level was that any further change would be done division by division over a period of a few seasons. Clubs would have to vote on any decision in the future.

[Roasty]

The ball held it's shape, kept it's shine longer and the seam continued to be proud above the leather throught 2 innings. It's a great improvement! It's only £10 a ball as far as I can remember Hughsey. So you can keep even more of your ill earned Lawyer money in your pocket while you do your Masters next year! :lol:

[Roasty]

As Theydon League Rep I'll propose it on the basis that it's for Div 1 only. I also Agree with the Brett (DJBBB) that it should be available at any time during the second innings for the fielding side. Are there any other Div 1 League reps who agree? Also, Paul, how do we bring it to the attention of the committee for the League Rules meeting?

[Roasty]

Proposal from Theydon Bois CC- 2 balls per match (1 per innings) for the 1st Division only. I need a seconder from a league rep in the 1st division. Any takers?

[Roasty]

Jelski,
I disagree with your reasoning Jelski but would you consider a comprimise as there does not seem to be anyone else that will second Theydon Bois.

Would you consider 2 proposals? 1. Just for Div 1. 2. For the whole league.

I take it that you are Potter Street league rep?

Roasty

[Sammy]

Agreed, the ball was better this year than last.

However, there is still a BIG difference between the state of this ball after 45 overs than at the begining of the game - providing a clear advantage for the team bowling first (i.e. in Div 1 at least, the team that wins the toss!). If cost is not an issue here (and it is my understanding that it is not) then there is no logic to having only one ball per game.

I still advocate having a new ball for each innings. Any support out there?

Sammy.

[Sammy]

Surely the reason for having 1 ball for each innings is to achieve fairness to both sides. By suggesting that the the team bowling 2nd can choose when they want to use it, equality is removed.

Why should the team bowling 2nd have the opportunity start the innings with an old ball, using spinners and/or dobbers and then get the chance to bring the pacemen on at the 25/26 over point with the new ball? The team bowling first never got this choice. Interesting this might be, but equal and fair - it is not. And making things equal and fair is the whole point in having a new ball at the start of each innings.

Is there any other LIMITED OVER cricket where a team has a choice of a new or an old ball, that anyone knows of? If not, why would we want to be so different?

[tro]

question?

Why would the team batting second have the option of when to use the new ball?

Surely its down to the bowling team, if anyone, to decide when to take the new ball?????

[djbbb]

i would like to see 2 new balls but the side batting 2nd having the option of when to use the ball as well. This should make the games much fairer and also give the skipper something to think about when winning a toss. Is there going to be a vote again this year?

[djbbb]

tro

my mistake, the side bowling 2nd!!! it would be intresting to see if everyone took the new ball straight away or if they are brave maybe decide to wait a while? ive found that although the seam is lasting longer this season it may have more to do with the amount of wet wickets played on this year. The couple of occasions the ball was used on very hard ground it didnt hold up that well.

[alexfrancis]

i played in the herts saracens league two years ago and they have the two ball scenario. I think that it is the way forward and should be brought in to all cricket. i dont see the idea of exclusively for the first division, partly because there is no reason that all leagues can not have two balls and secondly when teams get promoted from div two and below they will not have experience of match situations and how the new ball can be of an advantage.

edited by: alexfrancis, Sep 09, 2004 - 01:57 PM

[alexfrancis]

Well i did play in the first division so yes it was two balls i didnt realise about the other leagues. I still think that bringing the two ball in over the whole league would benefit all involved in the league, instead of just the first division

[jelski]

much better then last year

team bowling second could still get a good shine

the shape stayed even when wheatley was trying hes hardest to knock it out of shape...............

all in all better then last year later swing, better shine but the seam would come stright up the moment it go wet........ :-O

[jelski]

extra £90 from each team at the start of the year and hay presto 2 balls....

or have I missed something ?

:-P

[jelski]

two balls for all leagues for 2005

give it ago and see what happens.......

i would like to be able to bowl the new ball in the second innings......... :-O :-O

edited by: jelski, Sep 21, 2004 - 09:30 PM

[jelski]

Two balls in all leagues and I’ll second you.

Like in earlier posts how is this fair on teams coming up from the 2nd into the 1st etc if only the 1st have the two balls. One rule for all

Don’t try and make the 1st division separate from the rest.
:-x :-x :-x

[Hughsey]

I agree entirely with Sammy that two new balls should be used. The problem in the first division is that the majority of the tracks are of a good standard meaning that the only advantage bowlers can derive is when they have a new ball in their hands. Batting second is equivalent to having an extra two wickets and is therefore not surprising that teams batting second generally win the match. In order to make the league table a fair reflection of the participating teams ability I think it is essential that a new rule is made requiring two balls.

Regarding the cost, at only 12 pounds a ball, the home team's match subs would only need to be increased by approximately one pound and ten pence per person. Even as someone who will be a student next year I think that my budget could probably just about cover this!

[k-to-the-h]

SO......................
is there to be a new ball in each innings for all divisions or not?

[k-to-the-h]

ok cheers