Website

[marcymarc24]

Are there any plans to update the website for 2010? To be honest the site has been dead all year, I noticed the last weeks results have not even been uploaded! It doesn't really promote the league very well.
How about migrating the site and results services over to a Play Cricket site or something similar?

-Marc

[muttley]

Working fine for me? The results have been up for ages not sure why you can't see them.

I did have an issue earlier on in the season and fixed it by clearing the cache in my browser.

It seems you have to log in and out of the main site and not the forum page to be able to post in the forum as well. Maybe that needs fixing?

As far as the site being dead all year. Maybe if people posted more stuff it might get busy again.

[marcymarc24]

Maybe people don't use the site because there is little of interest here. If the league moved towards a Play Cricket site at least you'd have stats available and clubs will be pushed towards providing the results service themselves.

-Marc

[muttley]

Maybe people don't use the site because there is little of interest here. If the league moved towards a Play Cricket site at least you'd have stats available and clubs will be pushed towards providing the results service themselves.

-Marc


Frankly I don't see anything that the Play Cricket sites have that goes beyond what we have here and I fail to see how it is going to push clubs to provide the results service themselves?

Are you volunteering to sort it?

[marcymarc24]

It's not a case of me volunteering (I wouldn't mind), you'd have to get the commitee to agree to change from the current results system and move to Play Cricket. It would probably have to be agreed at the AGM by the clubs I imagine too.

In theory all clubs would enter in scorecards for each match which in turn creates more detailed match analysis and statistics which the current site lacks IMO.

-Marc

[paul]

It's not a case of me volunteering (I wouldn't mind), you'd have to get the commitee to agree to change from the current results system and move to Play Cricket. It would probably have to be agreed at the AGM by the clubs I imagine too.

In theory all clubs would enter in scorecards for each match which in turn creates more detailed match analysis and statistics which the current site lacks IMO.

-Marc
All you have to do is put yourself forward at the AGM as a candidate for the committee to run the website. I wouldn't oppose it.

Then you would have to sort out the play cricket website, make sure that every league club has a registered account there and gets someone to upload the scorecards within the timeframe that is set out by the committee. You'd need to check each score of course and contact those clubs that haven't complied. You'd also have to liase with Bob to make sure that the scores are correct so they can be emailed to the club contacts and also troubleshoot any problems that crop up as people get to grips with entering the scores on the play cricket site as well as phoning them in.

[marcymarc24]

The way I see it was working would be...

-Each club registers themselves on Play Cricket by a given date.
-Each club would aenter their seasons fixtures when available on their site.
-Match results will be entered into the website by the home team on a given date (eg 6pm Sunday)
-Results confirmed by the away team by a given date (eg 8pm Wednesday).
-Each league representative checks that bonus points have been entered for each match correctly each week.

Clubs and players are encouraged to register to the site and enter as much detail as possible. Entering full scorecards would be encouraged (bonus points ;)) but not required. With this online results service I wouldn't see any need to phone in results anymore.

That's a basic overview of how it would work. Comments from any clubs reading this?

-Marc

[Roasty]

I think that the system we have at the moment is working fine. Bob and Paul do a sterling job and should be congratulated. The rule change last year to make phoning in by 11pm (I think) on a Saturday night was not welcomed by all, but has helped Bob get the results out quicker and has been performed by the vast majority of clubs throughout the whole season - I deduce this from the few cases of penalty points deducted.
I do not see any reason to change a system that is working so well to something untried and tested.
Keep up the good work!

Roasty

[andrewshields]

Marcymarc24, for clubs like yours and mine that already use Play-cricket to the full, this would be easy. But you only have to go to the list of club website links on the HECL homepage where there's any number of dead links and sites that haven't been updated for months, if not years, to realise that most clubs simply wouldn't buy the idea. As we know, keeping a site going does require regular effort from a number of people, and the novelty can quickly pall.

Your suggestion would of course help Bob and Paul, and the Shepherd Neame Essex League and Lords League both made it work last season. It would also generate automatic end of season stats, so no problems deciding the award winners.

We'd probably vote for it, but I think we'd be in the minority.

[marcymarc24]

I am not denying that the current scoring system works well and that the work done to collect and display the results is much welcomed.
I would say however that the results service could be better. At the moment we only get team scores and points gained, nothing about any notable player performances or even overs bowled.
The current website doesn't work well IMO, it doesn't encourage people to contribute and lacks any news or information.
I don't even think many people even visit the site for results anymore as scores are always sent out (in good time) by email on Sunday mornings.
I do (perhaps rather sadly) scowl the internet often for more match information and I know I'm not the only one at my own club. I suspect many other players from the league do the same.
Play Cricket would generate more traffic for the website, encourage clubs to contribute, generate match stats as well as having other administrative benefits. Monitoring the system would take a little work, but clubs should be encouraged to enter as much information as they like.
Yes Andrew, Play Cricket would be a little more work than phoning in the score, but it's easy once you know how!;)

[paul]

People used to submit match reports here on the site. They don't seem to be inclined to do that. I fail to see how they are going to want to submit them on a play cricket site.

As I have said earlier though I would fully support you or anyone else taking over the running of the site and implementing whatever changes you or the league clubs see fit.

At the end of the day the site can only contain content that is supplied by it's members. I really don't have any more time to chase clubs for information which as I see it would be the inevitable result of demanding that they supply information over and above the current results service.

[marcymarc24]

Paul, I have registered the league website on Play Cricket for you to browse. http://hertsandessexcl.play-cricket.com/home/home.asp

When results are entered you have to manually add bonus points.

Most clubs have registered on Play Cricket, these are the ones that have not as yet.

Albury
Ardeley Walkern
Buntingford
Chesterfords
Farnham
Ilford Catholics
Langley
Little Hallingbury
Matching Green
Thorley
Three Caps


-Marc

[andrewshields]

Hi Marc
We see that you've uploaded the Div 1 fixtures onto the HECL play-cricket site and they have clicked through to ours. However, our May 15 fixture doesn't appear on our site; on checking the HECL site, you've put Farnham v Newport instead of v South Loughton, which explains why. This isn't an error we can correct, you will have to do it. I'd advise all clubs to check carefully that what appears on the paper fixture list is the same as what appears on your play-cricket sites.
Thanks
Andrew

[marcymarc24]

Thanks Andy, sorry about the error, once I realised only admin of the league website on Play Cricket can enter in fixtures I thought I'd better add them in!

It looks like you should all be able to add in results and stats without any problems. Let me know if you have any other issues. I was thinking the league website could maybe be run as a test in 2010 for Div 1, however I've had zero feedback from the committee so far :???:

-Marc

[paul]

Thanks Andy, sorry about the error, once I realised only admin of the league website on Play Cricket can enter in fixtures I thought I'd better add them in!

It looks like you should all be able to add in results and stats without any problems. Let me know if you have any other issues. I was thinking the league website could maybe be run as a test in 2010 for Div 1, however I've had zero feedback from the committee so far :???:

-Marc


What feedback do you want? There isn't anything to feedback on. The issues are going to arise when you have to chase everyone to enter the results and correct bonus points and then check them against the official results emailed out and posted here by Bob and myself.

As I've already said in this thread, I applaud your attempts to get this up and running but you are relying on others to supply the information on time and accurately every week. That can be a problem even through the official channels and is one of the reasons results are late being posted in the first place.

[paul]

Also as I said at last years AGM. There are going to be some changes made to this site. The software that was used last year has not proved to be up to standard as far as I'm concerned.

I intend to divide the site into two distinct sections. One for new and results. the second for comment and discussion. I'm currently looking at options to do this effectively. What would be handy would be help from others in either collecting and posting the results along with Bob or moderating and posting news and events. I'm going to be having even less time to devote to the site next year after a few things have changed for the league this year.